<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287</id><updated>2009-12-02T10:34:23.437Z</updated><title type='text'>Biblical Theology Briefings - BeginningWithMoses.org</title><subtitle type='html'>Biblical Theology. Evangelical. Advisors: Graeme Goldsworthy, David Jackman, Simon Gathercole. With Inter Varsity Press (IVP). Biblical Theology Briefings.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default?orderby=updated'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25&amp;orderby=updated'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>157</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-6267625554006898973</id><published>2009-11-19T22:47:00.000Z</published><updated>2009-11-19T22:47:53.563Z</updated><title type='text'>The Future of BeginningWithMoses.org</title><content type='html'>&lt;b&gt;It's been a long time since we last updated BeginningWithMoses.org - essentially because all our circumstances have changed since we set this project up seven years ago. With a not entirely clear timescale we're in the process of handing over the site to a new editorial team and waiting on a major technical overhaul which should make it all look shiny and work better.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-6267625554006898973?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/6267625554006898973/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=6267625554006898973' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/6267625554006898973'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/6267625554006898973'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2009/11/future-of-beginningwithmosesorg.html' title='The Future of BeginningWithMoses.org'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-8981478546505548367</id><published>2007-01-04T09:02:00.000Z</published><updated>2008-12-13T04:29:50.357Z</updated><title type='text'>New Arrivals</title><content type='html'>&lt;table&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5016170669848017794" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; CURSOR: hand" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/RZ0Epb0GO4I/AAAAAAAAABM/NQP52AdNDTM/s320/gibsons.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Congratulations to&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;BeginningWithMoses.org&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; editor David, and Angela on the birth of Archie!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-8981478546505548367?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/8981478546505548367/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=8981478546505548367' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/8981478546505548367'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/8981478546505548367'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2007/01/new-arrivals.html' title='New Arrivals'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/RZ0Epb0GO4I/AAAAAAAAABM/NQP52AdNDTM/s72-c/gibsons.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-4802004471575662669</id><published>2007-07-10T18:38:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2008-12-13T04:29:50.017Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Penal Substitution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='review'/><title type='text'>Review of Pierced for our Transgressions</title><content type='html'>&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 166px; height: 166px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/RpPEIwKBEJI/AAAAAAAAATk/aFeDjZjaTZM/s320/timchallies.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5085624058876334226" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.beginningwithmoses.org/library/reviewpierced.htm"&gt;Tim Challies reviews&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Pierced for our Transgressions&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;for &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;BeginningWithMoses.org&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-4802004471575662669?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/4802004471575662669/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=4802004471575662669' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/4802004471575662669'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/4802004471575662669'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2007/07/review-of-pierced-for-our.html' title='Review of Pierced for our Transgressions'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/RpPEIwKBEJI/AAAAAAAAATk/aFeDjZjaTZM/s72-c/timchallies.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-5097063326422942414</id><published>2007-08-09T11:56:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2008-12-13T04:29:49.880Z</updated><title type='text'>Bible Study Resource</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://gazeonglory.blogspot.com/"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/RrryOKkw3NI/AAAAAAAAAWA/z5FjUUSAeyo/s400/gaze.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5096652253493779666" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are Bible Studies I've written in service of &lt;a href="http://www.rucu.co.uk/"&gt;Reading University Christian Union&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.surreycu.co.uk/"&gt;Surrey University Christian Union&lt;/a&gt; between 2003-2007.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;They're written on the conviction that the word of God is living and active, capable of destroying nations, of creating universes, of awakening the soul, of raising the dead, of exposing motives and of causing God-glorifying transformation. To come to the word of God to simply learn is to miss the point. We come to taste and see that which is more precious than gold. Come and gaze on glory!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Undoubtedly they're not the best studies the world has ever seen, but if they can be of some service to the wider church then that's great. They're not really designed to be used straight off the page, but intentionally written to require some extra preparation by the leader. They're a tool to lead you to worship Jesus in his word. Feel free to edit and adapt but not sell them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://gazeonglory.blogspot.com/"&gt;gazeonglory.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-5097063326422942414?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/5097063326422942414/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=5097063326422942414' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/5097063326422942414'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/5097063326422942414'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2007/08/bible-study-resource.html' title='Bible Study Resource'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/RrryOKkw3NI/AAAAAAAAAWA/z5FjUUSAeyo/s72-c/gaze.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-4834162130167587309</id><published>2008-12-04T21:46:00.000Z</published><updated>2008-12-04T21:47:42.771Z</updated><title type='text'>Peter Leithart - Theology of Missions</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/?p=1235"&gt;Leithart: at First Things&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;...The Bible provides a theology of missions that is neither accommodation to existing culture nor total war that leaves the existing culture in smoking ruins. Mission is more like cultivation, a process of nurturing the hidden but unforeseen potential within a culture. Mission, we might say, is like water. Tertullian said, Nunquam sine aqua Christus—Christ is never without water. Neither is the Church; neither is her mission.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided into four rivers” (Genesis 2:10). It is the Bible’s first reference to rivers, and the first use of the number four, a number that eventually becomes associated with universality—the four corners (Isaiah 11:12), the four winds (Daniel 7:2), the four cornerstones of a house, the four horns of the altar. Genesis 2:10 is the first missionary text in Scripture, the first hint that Eden’s garden is not destination but source, the first faint suggestion that Adam is to move from the garden to bring its life to the ends of creation....&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-4834162130167587309?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/4834162130167587309/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=4834162130167587309' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/4834162130167587309'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/4834162130167587309'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/12/peter-leithart-theology-of-missions.html' title='Peter Leithart - Theology of Missions'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-8266146952892875849</id><published>2008-10-29T15:10:00.000Z</published><updated>2008-10-29T15:14:19.241Z</updated><title type='text'>Biblical Theology for Kids!  The Bible is about God and what he has done.</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/SQh9pW2-IhI/AAAAAAAABIk/Tx1TwH6nYwQ/s1600-h/storybook.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/SQh9pW2-IhI/AAAAAAAABIk/xBFe4sAIdY0/s320-R/storybook.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Now some people think the bible is a book full of rules, telling you what you should and shouldn’t do.  The Bible certainly does have some rules in it.  They show you how life works best.  But the Bible isn’t mainly about you and what you should be doing.  It’s about God and what he has done.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Other people think the bible is a book of heroes, showing you people you should copy.  The Bible does have some heroes in it, but most of the people in the Bible aren’t heroes at all.  They make big mistakes (sometimes on purpose), they get afraid and run away.  At times they are downright mean. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No, the Bible isn’t a book of rules, or a book of heroes.  The Bible is most of all a Story.  It’s an adventure story about a young hero who comes from a far country to win back his lost treasure.  It’s a love story about a brave Prince who leaves his palace, his throne – everything – to rescue the one he loves.  Its like the most wonderful of fairy tales that has come true in real life!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You see, the best thing about this story is  - its true.  There are lots of stories in the Bible, but all the stories are telling one big story.  The story of how God loves his children and comes to rescue them.  It takes the whole bible to tell this story.  And at the centre of the story, there is a baby.  Every story in the bible whispers his name.  He is like the missing piece in a puzzle – the piece that makes all the other pieces fit together; and suddenly you can see a beautiful picture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And this is no ordinary baby.  This is the child on which everything would depend.  This is the child who would one day – but wait.  Our story starts where all good stories start.  Right at the very beginning….&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;ht: &lt;a href="http://antblogs.blogspot.com/2008/10/biblical-theology-for-kids.html"&gt;Ant Adams: Biblical Theology for Kids&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-8266146952892875849?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/8266146952892875849/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=8266146952892875849' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/8266146952892875849'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/8266146952892875849'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/10/biblical-theology-for-kids-bible-is.html' title='Biblical Theology for Kids!  The Bible is about God and what he has done.'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/SQh9pW2-IhI/AAAAAAAABIk/xBFe4sAIdY0/s72-Rc/storybook.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-4896782758061508747</id><published>2008-09-26T08:07:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-26T08:07:00.894+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Sabbath by Andrew Shead</title><content type='html'>&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Sabbath in the Pentateuch - Genesis 2:1-3&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;‘Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array, so that on the seventh day God had completed his work which he had done. He ceased on the seventh day from all his work which he had done, and God blessed the seventh day, and he sanctified it, because on it he ceased from all his work which God had created by making it’ (author’s translation).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is no mention of the Sabbath here, nor of rest. Instead we read of the ‘seventh day’ of creation, and of God ‘ceasing’ from his work. We should be careful not to read back into this passage more than it actually says.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The passage begins by describing all the work of creation as ‘complete’, and associates this completion with the Seventh Day (the capitals differentiate this Day from any other seventh day). God’s ‘work’ is always carefully defined: the retrospective phrase ‘which he had done’ refers to the previous six days’ work only, as does the verb ‘created’ ( br ), which is picked up from 1:1 and reused to close the account. Was God doing another type of work on the Seventh Day, such as the work of sustaining his creation? We are not told (but cf . John 5:17).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;‘Blessing’ is associated in Genesis 1 with fruitfulness and dominion, both of which are expressions of what it means to be created in the image of God ( 1:26 , 28 ). We may conclude from its use in v. 3 that, just as God blessed what he created, he also blessed the fact of his creation: its completeness and its ongoing existence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When God ‘sanctified’ the Seventh Day because on it he ceased creating, he was not celebrating or commemorating days one to six, but declaring his new state of not creating to be blessed and holy . This is suggested by the close link between ‘God had completed’ and ‘he ceased’. The end of God’s creative work brought about a new type of time, blessed and set aside, presumably in order that what was created could now be. The Seventh Day was to be a day for fruitfulness, for dominion, for relationship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The created order is not commanded to sanctify the Seventh Day; the reason given involves God alone. The creation simply moves into the Seventh Day by default. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://beginningwithmoses.org/articles/sheadsabbath.htm"&gt;Read the rest of this paper by Andrew Shead at BeginningWithMoses.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-4896782758061508747?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/4896782758061508747/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=4896782758061508747' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/4896782758061508747'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/4896782758061508747'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/sabbath-by-andrew-shead.html' title='Sabbath by Andrew Shead'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-6917139953046241975</id><published>2008-09-25T08:05:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-25T08:05:02.356+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Have you got the whole story - Mike Cain</title><content type='html'>&lt;img align="left" src="http://beginningwithmoses.org/images/author/mikecain.jpg" /&gt;Whenever I am asked to give a series of apologetic talks I try and make it clear to those who have invited me that I am not coming just to win an argument about the reliability of the Bible or merely to leave people with the impression that the reality of suffering need not rule out the philosophical possibility of there being a God.   I don't want people to walk away with the idea that theism is a plausible hypothesis; I want to confront people with the Christ who is Lord of the Universe.  If people are going to feel the full force of His claim on their lives then they will need to see how he fits within the unfolding story of salvation from creation to new creation.  It is as simple as that.  They won't know how to make sense of the details of claims of Christ until we set those claims within the context of the unfolding story of the Bible. Because of this my habit has been to start any series of apologetic type talks with this overview of the Bible.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do it with the following aims:  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1) I want the Lord's revelation of Himself to set the agenda for the discussion.  We may well have move on to issues such as the reliability of the Bible, suffering and pluralism, but if you start with God's agenda I have found people ask their questions in the light of what the Bible actually says rather than in the light of some documentary that they once saw on channel 4.    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2) I want the first talk to set the context for the subsequent talks.  So when we move on to, say, the problem of suffering or the uniqueness of Christ I want to be able to show people how to make sense of those things within the Bible's unfolding story.   So, for example, when we talk about suffering, go from creation to new creation via the cross in a way that sets the problem of suffering firmly within the plan of salvation and underlines the coherence of the Christian world-view; when we talk about the uniqueness of Christ, show how it is the unfolding story of the Bible that painted the early church into a corner when it came to their convictions about who Jesus is.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3) I want to show people that the worldview of the Bible is coherent and that it does in fact make sense of the world.   It is easy to get sucked into the sort of apologetics that assumes we just have to win the intellectual battle and so spend all our time "clearing away the intellectual barriers that prevent people from approaching the Gospel" without ever getting round to proclaiming the Gospel itself. I t is the Gospel that is compelling and which melts hearts and transforms minds, so this talk is an attempt to usher people through the "intellectual barriers" and show them the view from the other side - to show them what the world looks like when you look at it through the lens of the Gospel. It does, of course, give rise to questions and objections, but it means that when we revisit the "intellectual barriers" people know what is at stake and, we pray, the power of the Gospel is at work in them because they have, at least seen the view.     &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4) I want to show people that we are not talking about a bit of private spirituality that can be slotted into your existing worldview, but that when we are talking about the claims of Christ we are talking about the one by whom and for whom all things were made.  Calling people to turn to Christ means calling people to turn from their old worldview and to embrace a whole new one that has Christ at its centre.  Doing apologetics in a "biblical theological" sort of a way, means we are constantly talking to people on the level of total world view and not giving them a handful of spiritual fragments to make of which what they will.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5) Doing apologetics in a "biblical theological" sort of way means we are underlying the fact that our God is the God of history who has stepped into history and is taking history to its climax.  He is not the result of philosophical speculation - which is the impression that some apologetics can leave you with.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://beginningwithmoses.org/articles/thewholestory.htm"&gt;Read the rest of this paper by Mike Cain at BeginningWithMoses.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-6917139953046241975?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/6917139953046241975/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=6917139953046241975' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/6917139953046241975'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/6917139953046241975'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/have-you-got-whole-story-mike-cain.html' title='Have you got the whole story - Mike Cain'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-1823319183329879660</id><published>2008-09-24T08:02:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-24T08:02:00.096+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Adam in Romans by Jonathan Gibson</title><content type='html'>&lt;img src="http://beginningwithmoses.org/images/author/jonny.jpg" align="left"&gt;This paper discusses the degree of Adam’s importance in the argument of Romans. It commences with a presentation of the purpose and argument of the epistle, followed by a brief assessment of allusions to Adam in 1:18-23 and 7:7-12, before focussing in on the connections of 5:21-21 to various parts of the letter. In doing so, the measure of Adam’s importance is explored in six sections of Romans: 1:18-4:25, 5:1-11, 5:12-21, 6:1-8:39, 9:1-11:36 and 12:1-15:13. It is concluded that whilst scholars assert Adam’s importance in the letter, they do not deal explicitly with the degree of his importance, thus highlighting the need for further research in this area. This paper concludes that Adam is of foremost significance in the edifice of Paul’s argument to ensure a correct understanding of the gospel – and also the law – in order to bring unity to the church at Rome.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The seventeenth century Puritan, Thomas Goodwin, said, ‘In God’s sight there are two men – Adam and Jesus Christ – and these two men have all other men hanging at their girdle strings.’ Whilst most commentators assert Adam’s importance in the argument of Romans, this essay will explore the degree of his importance. We concur with Kreitzer that the Apostle Paul assumes Adam’s historicity and therefore this will not be our concern; neither will the issue of original sin. After presenting Paul’s purpose and argument, followed by a brief discussion on the passages concerning allusions to Adam, we will focus in on 5:12-21 and its connections to the argument of Romans. In doing so, the measure of Adam’s importance will be presented, along with some concluding reflections.&lt;br /&gt;Paul’s purpose in writing to a mixed audience of Jews and Gentiles in Rome is multi-faceted: self-introduction (1:1-6); strengthen the church (1:11; 16:25); explain the gospel, particularly in relation to the role of the law (1:1-5, 15-17; 3:19-20, 31; 5:13-14, 5:20; 7:7-25; 8:2-4); resolve the Jew / Gentile conflict and bring unity (3:22, 29-30; 11:17-24; 12:3-13, 16-18; 15:1-7); ensure support for his Spanish mission (15:23-24).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul’s argument in Romans is united by the overriding theme of the gospel, which frames both ends of the letter (1:1, 9, 15; 15: 16, 19; 16:25). At the heart of the epistle is the issue of Jew / Gentile conflict in the church, and in particular the Jewish opponents who accused Paul of proclaiming a fictional gospel of justification that was outside the realm of proof, required no change in one’s life, and provided no security for the future.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://beginningwithmoses.org/articles/adaminromans.pdf"&gt;Read the full paper by Jonny Gibson at BeginningWithMoses.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-1823319183329879660?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/1823319183329879660/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=1823319183329879660' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/1823319183329879660'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/1823319183329879660'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/adam-in-romans-by-jonathan-gibson.html' title='Adam in Romans by Jonathan Gibson'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-1387074171440087064</id><published>2008-09-23T08:01:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-23T08:01:00.281+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Why the law then? A Biblical Theology of Law in Galatians (Chris Poteet)</title><content type='html'>&lt;img src="http://beginningwithmoses.org/images/author/chrispoteet.jpg" align="right"&gt;There is arguably no issue more fiercely debated within orthodox evangelicalism as that of Paul's teaching regarding the Christian and law.1 The debate has been around for centuries, and I am no position to say that I have come to an understanding that has been absent in church history. Actually, my understanding of the relation of law and gospel is similar to that of the reformers—in particular Martin Luther. He saw that the Mosaic Law had a temporal role in God’s plan of redemption, and he tended to stress what is commonly called the "second use" of the Law which is to drive the unbeliever to Christ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul, I believe, espoused this position in his monumental letter to the Christians at Galatia. In chapters 3-6, he gives us a redemptive-historical perspective on the purpose of the Mosaic Law and life led by the Spirit in the New Covenant. Correctly understanding this perspective can, I believe, move Christians who are divided on the issue to a more fruitful discussion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The structure of this essay revolves around my exegesis of Galatians 3:23-25. I will first provide the background of Galatians, and I will then analyze 3:23-25 through exegesis and contrasting various positions in Christendom on this passage. The essay concludes with a discussion on life in the Spirit over the age of Law and the Law of Christ as Paul explains in chapters 4-6.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://beginningwithmoses.org/articles/whythelawthen.pdf"&gt;Continue reading Why the law then, by Chris Poteet at BeginningWithMoses.org&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href="http://www.imperishableinheritance.com/"&gt;Chris Poteet blogs at Imperishable Inheritance&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-1387074171440087064?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/1387074171440087064/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=1387074171440087064' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/1387074171440087064'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/1387074171440087064'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/why-law-then-biblical-theology-of-law.html' title='Why the law then? A Biblical Theology of Law in Galatians (Chris Poteet)'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-2343564511020687245</id><published>2008-09-22T08:01:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-22T08:01:01.002+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Assumed Evangelicalism: reflections en route to denying the gospel (David Gibson)</title><content type='html'>&lt;img align="right" src="http://beginningwithmoses.org/images/author/gibby.gif" /&gt;You may have heard the story of the Mennonite Brethren movement. One particular analysis goes like this: the first generation believed and proclaimed the gospel and thought that there were certain social entailments. The next generation assumed the gospel and advocated the entailments. The third generation denied the gospel and all that were left were the entailments. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another story. In 1919, Trinity Great Court in Cambridge saw a meeting between Rollo Pelly, the Secretary of the liberal Student Christian Movement, and Daniel Dick and Norman Grubb (President and Secretary of the evangelical Cambridge Inter-Collegiate Christian Union). The meeting was to discuss the re-unification of the two movements that had split in 1910. Norman Grubb's account of the meeting is infamous:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After an hour's talk, I asked Rollo point blank, 'Does the SCM put the atoning blood of Jesus Christ central?' He hesitated, and then said, 'Well, we acknowledge it, but not necessarily central.' Dan Dick and I then said that this settled the matter for us in the CICCU. We could never join something that did not maintain the atoning blood of Jesus Christ at its centre; and we parted company.'&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In its earliest days the SCM believed and proclaimed the atoning blood of Jesus. The next generation assumed it but did not make it central. The following generations have rejected and denied the apostolic gospel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Proclaiming, assuming, denying. This description of a movement's history is admittedly something of a caricature - any such development would always be the result of many complex factors. Nevertheless, it is a useful way of attempting to identify defining decisions that profoundly shape a movement's evolution and it has lessons for us about the dangers and challenges facing other similar movements.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this article, I want to suggest that evangelicalism - Christianity that gets its definition from the gospel, the good news (Greek: the evangel) - is exactly one such 'movement', and to try to examine what evangelicalism in the middle stage, the assumed stage, looks like. This article suggests that individuals, churches, movements and institutions that use the name evangelical, and which are therefore claiming an important commitment to the gospel, are all susceptible to the very subtle drift that can take place from proclaiming through assuming to denying the gospel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me suggest a definition:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Assumed evangelicalism believes and signs up to the gospel. It certainly does not deny the gospel. But in terms of priorities, focus, and direction, assumed evangelicalism begins to give gradually increasing energy to concerns other than the gospel and key evangelical distinctives, to gradually elevate secondary issues to a primary level, to be increasingly worried about how it is perceived by others and to allow itself to be increasingly influenced both in content and method by the prevailing culture of the day. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://beginningwithmoses.org/bigger/assumedevangelicalism.htm"&gt;Continue reading Assumed Evangelicalism by David Gibson at BeginningWithMoses.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-2343564511020687245?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/2343564511020687245/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=2343564511020687245' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/2343564511020687245'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/2343564511020687245'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/assumed-evangelicalism-reflections-en.html' title='Assumed Evangelicalism: reflections en route to denying the gospel (David Gibson)'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-39785363153703052</id><published>2008-09-19T08:00:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-19T08:00:01.076+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Song of Songs: A Biblical Theology (Ros Clarke)</title><content type='html'>&lt;img align="right" src="http://beginningwithmoses.org/images/author/rosclarke.jpg" /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Modern churchgoers may be surprised to learn that the Song of Songs was once one of the most preached and commented on book of the Bible. Tremper Longman makes the observation that nowadays the Song is rarely taught at all and my own experience reflects this. &lt;/b&gt;In over fifteen years of regular churchgoing, I have never yet heard a sermon on the Song and only once heard it taught at all, in the context of a talk on ‘Relationships,’ aimed at students. Longman is rightly concerned by this apparent ‘functional decanonization’ of the Song. In the light of Paul’s claim that ‘All Scripture is... profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction and for training in righteousness,’ the present situation suggests that the church is missing out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;David Carr links the disuse of the Song with the widespread rejection of allegorical interpretations from the mid-nineteenth century. There have been various methods of interpretation suggested as replacements; that which has gained most support in recent years is the so-called ‘literal’ approach. While there are reasons to reject some of the methodology involved in traditional allegorical interpretations, this study will show that there are good grounds to support their instinctive reading of the Song as an exposition of the divine-human relationship rather than primarily as a reflection on human marriage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://beginningwithmoses.org/articles/songofsongs.pdf"&gt;Read the rest of Song of Songs: A Biblical Theology by Ros Clarke at BeginningWithMoses.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-39785363153703052?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/39785363153703052/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=39785363153703052' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/39785363153703052'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/39785363153703052'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/song-of-songs-biblical-theology-ros.html' title='Song of Songs: A Biblical Theology (Ros Clarke)'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-5688218538031822295</id><published>2008-09-18T21:53:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-18T21:54:23.027+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Another Biblical Theology Blog</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://biblicaltheology.wordpress.com/"&gt;Biblical Theology: “. . . all the prophets . . . proclaimed these days . . .” -Acts 3:24 by T.Desmond Alexander, Michael Bird, Jim Hamilton and Stephen Dempster&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-5688218538031822295?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/5688218538031822295/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=5688218538031822295' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/5688218538031822295'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/5688218538031822295'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/another-biblical-theology-blog.html' title='Another Biblical Theology Blog'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-400202511190963599</id><published>2008-09-18T08:00:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-18T08:00:01.268+01:00</updated><title type='text'>On answering a fool: making sense of the book of proversbs (Tim Chester)</title><content type='html'>&lt;h2&gt;Proverbs are rules of thumb reflecting belief in a created order&lt;/h2&gt;Decisions, decisions. Many people find making decisions hard. Yet we have to make decisions every day of our lives. Wisdom is the ability to make good decisions. Wisdom is working out what is the right thing to do. The book of Proverbs offers helpful guidance for making wise decisions and living godly lives. They are practical: they have to do with ordinary life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Compare Proverbs 26:4 and 26:5: &lt;br /&gt;* Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself. (26:4) &lt;br /&gt;* Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.(26:5) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These two proverbs show that proverbs are not universally or absolutely true. They are general statements - not iron clad certainties. They are rules of thumb. They may not apply in all circumstances. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Proverbs often involve: &lt;br /&gt;* consequences: &lt;i&gt;‘ ... for ...’  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;'Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags' (23:20-21) &lt;br /&gt;* comparison: &lt;i&gt;‘Better ... than ...’ &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;'Better a meal of vegetables where there is love than a fattened calf with hatred' (15:17) &lt;br /&gt;* observations on life - often without moral comment &lt;br /&gt;'A bribe is a charm to the one who gives it; wherever he turns, he succeeds'  (17:8) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peter Misselbrook says: Wisdom is not an exclusively Biblical phenomenon but was a particular type of thought and of writing which was common to the world of the Ancient Near East. For a man's life to be prosperous and happy it is necessary that he should know something about the world in which he lives, the way in which it functions and the laws by which it is governed. The wisdom of the Ancient Near East is therefore not an abstract philosophy but a system of practical rules for life. It is concerned with the way in which a man must act in order to live well in the world and to prosper. Wisdom therefore begins with careful observations on the world, the world of men and the world of 'nature', and through observation seeks to learn something of the way things work. At the most basic level, man observes that there are regularities in the processes of the world and that to prosper one must recognise these and conform one's behaviour to the demands of the physical world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, for example, in Proverbs 24:30-34 we see that the person who fails to tend the ground properly will fail to get a crop. Proverbs, however, reflect a particular way of looking a the world; a particular ‘worldview’. They look at ordinary life from a specific perspective. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;The Worldview of Proverbs: A Created Order&lt;/h2&gt;The world was made by God. 'By wisdom the LORD laid the earth's foundations, by understanding he set the heavens in place' (3:19). And so there is order in the world: God is in control. Disorder has messed up that order to some extent (more of that later), but there is still order in the world. ‘The world is not driven about by erratic, arbitrary and accidental forces, but is maintained and directed by the order which Yahweh established at creation’. Therefore we can see in the world purposeful design – the creative hand of God. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://beginningwithmoses.org/articles/proverbschester.htm"&gt;Read the rest of On Answering a Fool at BeginningWithMoses.org&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href="http://timchester.wordpress.com/"&gt;Read Tim Chester's blog&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-400202511190963599?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/400202511190963599/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=400202511190963599' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/400202511190963599'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/400202511190963599'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/on-answering-fool-making-sense-of-book.html' title='On answering a fool: making sense of the book of proversbs (Tim Chester)'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-1535374240292390751</id><published>2008-09-17T08:00:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-17T08:00:01.346+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Hermeneutics and Christ (Graeme Goldsworthy)</title><content type='html'>HERMENEUTICS has been one of the big topics of the last 25 years. A seemingly endless series of books has been produced and academic papers written.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, 'hermeneutics' is not only the preserve of academia. The Christian who says "I'm just a simple Bible-believer" can be just as adept at imposing an interpretation on the text as the most sophisticated theologian. Nor is 'hermeneutics' an entirely modern question. Christians have always struggled with how to read and apply the Bible, and have adopted various ways of doing so. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, the history of how Chris­tians have read and applied the Bible is most instructive, especially if we take note of what was really happen­ing in the various historical develop­ments. What we find repeatedly is that when people were asking 'What do we think about the Scriptures?' they were really asking 'What do we think about Christ?'. This is because what we think about the incarnate Word of God, Jesus Christ, will run parallel with what we think about the inscripturated Word of God, the Bible. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The apostolic answer to the herme­neutical question is the correct one: Jesus Christ is the God-man, saviour and Lord, to whom the apostles and all the Scriptures testify. This means that the objective historical Jesus is in fact the content of the gospel message and the gospel is the power of God for salvation (Rom 1:16). The apos­tle's answer comes from taking seri­ously the fact that Jesus claims to be the truth. There is a sense in which the apostles understood the Old Tes­tament as providing the substructure of the gospel - and so the Old Testa­ment helps us understand the New Testament. But the main thrust of the New Testament is on the person of Jesus as the one who makes clear what the Old Testament is all about. So the apostle's hermeneutical posi­tion is that the gospel is the power of God for interpreting the Bible. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://beginningwithmoses.org/articles/gg_hermandchrist.htm"&gt;Read the rest of Hermeneutics and Christ at BeginningWithMoses.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-1535374240292390751?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/1535374240292390751/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=1535374240292390751' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/1535374240292390751'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/1535374240292390751'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/hermeneutics-and-christ-graeme.html' title='Hermeneutics and Christ (Graeme Goldsworthy)'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-5205041596690270486</id><published>2008-09-16T08:00:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-16T08:00:02.365+01:00</updated><title type='text'>God with Men in the Torah (James Hamilton)</title><content type='html'>&lt;img align="right" src="http://beginningwithmoses.org/images/author/jhamilton.jpg" /&gt;Were Old Covenant saints indwelt by the Holy Spirit? Assuming that John 7:39 teaches that the Holy Spirit would not continually indwell believers until after the cross, this study seeks to establish what the Pentateuch does and does not say about the presence of God with regard to its faithful. Herein we seek todemonstrate two things. First, that God’s presence with his people is a pervasivereality in the Pentateuch. Second, that God creates his Old Covenant remnantby revealing himself and maintains it by abiding with his people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These two points are significant because in the OldTestament there is a direct correlation between the favorable presence of God and the well-being of hispeople, physical as well as spiritual. The upshot of this is that the Old Testamentdoes not conceive of God creating and keeping a believing remnant by hisSpirit’s dwelling in each individual member of the remnant. God’s dwelling place in the Old Testament is in the midst of his people, but in the midst of themmeans in the tabernacle and later the temple, not in their individual bodies. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The contention of this study is that God’s self-disclosure and his favorable presence with his people constitute the Pentateuch’s description of how the Old Covenant faithful became and remained believers. It is clear in the New Testament that the New Covenant faithful become and remain believers because they are regenerated and indwelt by God’s Spirit (e.g., Gal 3:3; Rom 8:9-11). Some infer that, ‘‘Since He keeps the New Testament saint by indwelling . . . it seems reasonable to believe that He kept the Old Testament saint in the same way.’’ One of the working hypotheses of the present study is that John 7:39 forbids this inference.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The New Testament indicates that Old Covenant believers were not indwelt, and the claim of this study is that the Old Testament does not explicitly teach that they were. Nevertheless, there is evidence that, whatever means heemployed, it was God who enabled Old Covenant believers to have and maintain faith. For example, God tells Elijah that he (God) will cause 7,000 to remain who have not worshiped Baal (1 Kgs 19:18). The thesis of this study is that the means God employed to preserve his remnant were his word (i.e., his self-revelation) and his presence.... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://beginningwithmoses.org/articles/godwithmen.pdf"&gt;Read the God with Men in the Torah by James Hamilton, at BeginningWithMoses.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-5205041596690270486?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/5205041596690270486/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=5205041596690270486' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/5205041596690270486'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/5205041596690270486'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/god-with-men-in-torah-james-hamilton.html' title='God with Men in the Torah (James Hamilton)'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-7720326595906225648</id><published>2008-09-15T23:04:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-15T23:09:08.472+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Exegeting Little Bo Peep</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2008/09/bible-as-fashion-accessory.html"&gt;Pyromaniacs&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;John MacArthur used to say if you're using Scripture as a springboard to say whatever you want rather than teaching your people what the Bible actually says, you might as well exegete "Little Bo Peep." And he did a 90-second parody of how that could be done using the style of preaching so many contemporary evangelicals seem to favor. MacArthur, of course, was using a classic reductio argument, employing an example no one (or so we thought) would ever seriously consider imitating. Here's an audio clip:&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;embed align="middle" allowscriptaccess="always" flashvars="audio_id=2040010&amp;amp;valid_sample_rate=true&amp;amp;external_url=http://www.spurgeon.org/%7Ephil//sounds/bopeep.mp3" height="40" name="audio_player_tiny_gray" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" quality="high" src="http://www.odeo.com/flash/audio_player_tiny_gray.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="200" wmode="transparent" /&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;a href="http://beginningwithmoses.org/bigger/expositorypreaching.htm"&gt;Peter Adam argued compellingly for Expository Preaching (of Scripture) at BeginningWithMoses.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-7720326595906225648?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/7720326595906225648/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=7720326595906225648' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/7720326595906225648'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/7720326595906225648'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/exegeting-little-bo-peep.html' title='Exegeting Little Bo Peep'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-7103457207609964802</id><published>2008-09-15T03:00:00.006+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-15T18:22:03.382+01:00</updated><title type='text'>ESV Study Bible Interview: with Dr Vern Poythress for BeginningWithMoses.org (Part 2)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;6. Calvin says  in &lt;i&gt;Institutes&lt;/i&gt; II.x.2 that the Jews  ‘had and knew Christ as Mediator, through whom they were joined to  God and share in his promises’. You suggest that  ‘The instances of salvation in the OT all depend on Christ’. Could  you explain how Christ was Saviour of the OT saints, and whether you  understand this in the same sense as Calvin, i.e. the Jews actually  knowing Christ?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/SM6Y3vPOQzI/AAAAAAAABDE/XT9Rkong12A/s1600-R/calvin.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img align="right" border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/SM6Y3vPOQzI/AAAAAAAABDE/XT9Rkong12A/s200-R/calvin.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;I agree with what  Calvin said. Christ was presented to OT saints both through God’s  promises of future salvation and through types (shadows) that prefigured  his work, such as animal sacrifices, priests, the exodus, and other  instances of deliverance. And even when Christ is not directly mentioned,  God reckoned with Christ’s work when he forgave OT saints and when  he blessed them in spite of their failings. The benefits of Christ’s  mediation were already being made available. The saints in the OT had  faith in Christ as the coming climactic deliverer. But they knew less  about him that we can know now when we look back on his completed redemption.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;"Christ was presented to OT saints&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;both through God’s promises of future salvation&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;and through types (shadows) that prefigured his work"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;7. For someone  coming to biblical theology from a world strongly  oriented to systematic theology, how would you explain the differences  and the relationship between the two disciplines?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;Different people have  had different conceptions of both biblical theology and systematic theology,  so it is wise to ask what people mean in both areas, as well as to look  at the relation between the two areas. I would myself describe systematic  theology as study of the Bible’s teaching in which we try to synthesize  and then summarize what the Bible as a whole teaches about all kinds  of &lt;i&gt;topics&lt;/i&gt;—God, man, Christ, sin, salvation, and so on.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;In some contexts the  expression “biblical theology” simply means theology built on the  Bible; that is, it is systematic theology done in the right way. But  there is also another possible meaning. Biblical theology, as described  by Geerhardus Vos, studies the Bible with a focus on its &lt;i&gt;history&lt;/i&gt;,  the history of revelation and of redemption. Whereas systematic theology  is &lt;i&gt;topically&lt;/i&gt; organized, biblical theology is &lt;i&gt;historically&lt;/i&gt;  organized. It looks at the progress of God’s work and his revelation  through &lt;i&gt;time&lt;/i&gt;. In addition, biblical theology more broadly conceived  can study the themes that are distinctive to a particular book of the  Bible, or to books written by a single human author (for example, Paul’s  letters).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;"At their best, biblical  theology and&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;systematic theology interact&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;and help to deepen one another."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;At their best, &lt;a href="http://beginningwithmoses.org/articles/systematicandbiblical.htm"&gt;biblical  theology and systematic theology&lt;/a&gt; interact and help to deepen one another.  Systematic theology provides doctrines of God’s sovereignty, of revelation,  of God’s purposes, and of the meaning of history that supply a sound  framework of assumptions for the work of biblical theology. Biblical  theology at its best deepens the appreciation that systematic theology  should have for the way in which, in interpreting individual texts and  in uncovering their relation to a whole topic, the context of texts  within the history of redemption colors the interpretation. Biblical  theology may also bring to light new themes that can be the starting  point for systematic-theological explorations into new topics that can  receive fuller attention. For instance, the theme of life and death  as it develops in the course of the history of revelation can become  the starting point for discussing ethical questions about modern medicine  and the issue of euthanasia.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;8. Can you comment  on what you think the main dangers are in reading the Bible without  a grasp of its big picture?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;If we do not think  deeply about the big picture that the Bible provides, we are likely  in practice either not to think about big pictures at all, or to take  our big picture directly from some modern worldview like evolutionary  naturalism. And then that corrupts our understanding of the Bible.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;Even if we do not  think about big pictures at all, it does leave us vulnerable to being  influenced in a “subterranean” way by modern worldviews. For example,  the knowledge industry (media, education, advertising) in modern America  is in some ways very materialistic. According to one dominant view,  life is about wealth and power and pleasure. God and angels and demons  are irrelevant. You don’t have to think explicitly about philosophy  in order to be influenced by this atmosphere. Then, without knowing  it, you come to the Bible with expectations that are colored by your  modern environment. You misread the significance of some of what you  read, or you are prejudiced without knowing it about some of the Bible’s  claims about the spirit world and about what really matters.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;The same goes for  the “big picture” that we use with respect to the meaning of history.  Does history go on and on until the human race simply dies out or is  evolutionarily transmuted into some higher form of animal, as evolutionary  naturalism would claim? Or does it culminate in the Second Coming of  Christ? It makes a difference as to what kind of world you think you  live in. And can a single event in history, namely the resurrection  of Christ, have redemptive effects on people who are far separated from  it in time? The Bible says yes, but modern rationalistic thinking about  history says no.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;9. Can you tell  us about the biggest influences on your own grasp of  Scripture’s coherence? What would feature on your essential reading  list here, and why?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;My outstanding mentor  in understanding the history of salvation was Edmund P. Clowney. He  has now gone to be with the Lord, but his books are still a great help,  because they articulate the Christocentric character of all of the Bible.  I think of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/101/nm/Preaching_and_Biblical_Theology_Paperback_/?utm_source=jtaylor&amp;amp;utm_medium=jtaylor" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;Preaching and Biblical  Theology&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt; (Eerdmans,  1961), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/387/nm/Unfolding_Mystery_Discovering_Christ_in_the_Old_Testament/?utm_source=jtaylor&amp;amp;utm_medium=jtaylor" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;The Unfolding Mystery:  Discovering Christ in the OT&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;  (NavPress, 1988); &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/2099/nm/Preaching_Christ_in_All_of_Scripture/?utm_source=jtaylor&amp;amp;utm_medium=jtaylor" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;Preaching Christ in  All of Scripture&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt; (Crossway,  2003), and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/1155/nm/The_Church_Contours_of_Christian_Theology_Paperback_/?utm_source=jtaylor&amp;amp;utm_medium=jtaylor" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;The Church&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt; (InterVarsity Press, 1995). Then there are  major works in biblical theology: Geerhardus Vos, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/622/nm/Biblical_Theology_Old_and_New_Testaments_Paperback_/?utm_source=jtaylor&amp;amp;utm_medium=jtaylor" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;Biblical Theology&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt; (Eerdmans, 1948); O. Palmer Robertson, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/416/nm/Christ_of_the_Covenants_Paperback_/?utm_source=jtaylor&amp;amp;utm_medium=jtaylor" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;The Christ  of the Covenants&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt; (Baker,  1980); Herman Ridderbos, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/330/nm/Coming_of_the_Kingdom/?utm_source=jtaylor&amp;amp;utm_medium=jtaylor" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;The Coming of the Kingdom&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt; (Presbyterian and Reformed, 1962); Richard  B. Gaffin Jr., &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/290/nm/Resurrection_and_Redemption_A_Study_in_Paul_s_Soteriology_Paperback_/?utm_source=jtaylor&amp;amp;utm_medium=jtaylor" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;Resurrection and Redemption:  A Study in Paul’s Soteriology&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;  (Presbyterian and Reformed, 1987).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;I think that systematic  theology, as well as biblical theology, contributes to our appreciation  of the unity of the Bible. Even before going to seminary, I was influenced  by John Calvin, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/1157/nm/Institutes_of_the_Christian_Religion_2_Volumes_Hardcover_/?utm_source=jtaylor&amp;amp;utm_medium=jtaylor" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;Institutes of the Christian  Religion&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;, and by systematic  thinkers like J.I. Packer (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/1857/nm/Knowing_God/?utm_source=jtaylor&amp;amp;utm_medium=jtaylor" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;Knowing God&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/1181/nm/Fundamentalism_and_the_Word_of_God/?utm_source=jtaylor&amp;amp;utm_medium=jtaylor" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;Fundamentalism and the  Word of God&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;, and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.wtsbooks.com/product-exec/product_id/2014/nm/Evangelism_the_Sovereignty_of_God_Paperback_/?utm_source=jtaylor&amp;amp;utm_medium=jtaylor" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;Evangelism and the Sovereignty  of God&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;u&gt;).&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt; My  whole time studying at Westminster Theological Seminary further deepened  my understanding of Scripture’s coherence. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Dr. Poythress,  thank you for answering our questions on biblical theology. We are sure  our readers will benefit greatly from them. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-7103457207609964802?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/7103457207609964802/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=7103457207609964802' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/7103457207609964802'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/7103457207609964802'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/esv-study-bible-interview-with-dr-vern_15.html' title='ESV Study Bible Interview: with Dr Vern Poythress for BeginningWithMoses.org (Part 2)'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/SM6Y3vPOQzI/AAAAAAAABDE/XT9Rkong12A/s72-Rc/calvin.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-5199209424724888189</id><published>2008-09-09T07:59:00.004+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-12T22:39:18.253+01:00</updated><title type='text'>ESV Study Bible Interview with Dr Vern Poythress for BeginingWithMoses.org (Part 1b)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Continuing our interview with Vern Poythress:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;4. Your essay provides  a very helpful explanation of one aspect of the  covenant promises—the promise of offspring to Abraham. There are also  specific promises to Abraham about land, and concerning God’s rule  or blessing. Could you tease out the biblical  theology of these two facets just as you have done for the  ‘offspring’ theme?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Galatians+3%3A7+" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Galatians 3:7&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt; indicates that those who believe in Christ  are “the sons of Abraham.” That is an instance of the theme of offspring.  Christ is the principal offspring of Abraham, according to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Gal.+3%3A16" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Gal. 3:16&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;. And then when we trust in Christ, we are  united with him, and we receive what he has accomplished for us. Since  he is Abraham’s offspring, we are too. Since he receives “the blessing  of Abraham” (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Gal.+3%3A8%2C+14" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Gal. 3:8, 14&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;), we do too. Since he is an heir of Abraham,  we are too: “And if you are Christ’s then you are Abraham’s offspring,  heirs according to promise” (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Gal.+3%3A29" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Gal. 3:29&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;The language of inheritance  in Galatians has a close relation to God’s giving of the land of Palestine  to Abraham. The land was inherited by his descendants, and passed down  from father to son. The passing down goes all the way down the genealogical  lines until it comes to Christ, who inherits everything: “For all  the promises of God find their Yes in him” (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=2+Cor.+1%3A20" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;2 Cor. 1:20&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). Christ inherits not only Palestine, but  the whole earth, of which Palestine was a type or shadow: “All authority  in heaven and on &lt;i&gt;earth&lt;/i&gt; has been given to me” (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Matt.+28%3A18" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Matt. 28:18&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). Therefore, we who belong to Christ inherit  the earth: “For all things are &lt;i&gt;yours&lt;/i&gt;, whether Paul or Apollos  or Cephas or &lt;i&gt;the world&lt;/i&gt; or life or death or the present or the  future—all are yours, and you are Christ’s and Christ is God’s  (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+Cor.+3%3A21%E2%80%9323" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;1 Cor. 3:21–23&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). Thus, those who belong to Christ inherit  with him—both the status of being sons, inheritance of the land, and  fullness of blessings.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;Are these blessings  only “spiritual”? Abraham himself came to understand that the blessings  of fellowship with God were eternal, and were not exhausted by merely  temporary material blessings: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;“These  [including Abraham] all died in faith, not having received the things  promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having  acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. For people  who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. If they  had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would  have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country,  that is a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their  God, for he has prepared for them a city.” (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Heb.+11%3A13%E2%80%9316" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Heb. 11:13–16&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;We too look forward  to the same city, the heavenly Jerusalem, which comes down to the earth  and so includes the dimension of physicality, and includes a physical  resurrection in a new heaven and new &lt;i&gt;earth&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Rev.+21%3A1%E2%80%932" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Rev. 21:1–2&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). While we are in this life, we will have  tribulation—as did Abraham (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Acts+14%3A22" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Acts 14:22&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;In sum, we can say  that through Christ the Israelite we inherit the land and all its blessings,  which are ultimately tokens of God’s favor. But we must wait patiently  and suffer in this life, looking forward to possessing that full inheritance  and the fullness of blessings in the new earth. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;5. You also have  some excellent material on Christ in the OT, and Christ  as Mediator. What practical difference should a passage like &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Luke+24%3A25%E2%80%9327+" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Luke 24:25–27&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt; have  on our reading of the OT? For instance, does it mean that we should  try to discern in every single OT passage lines of connection to Christ?  Can you give some guidance here on when, where and why Christological  connections are valid?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;The theme of mediation  in the OT is one of the most important aids to seeing how Christ is  there in the OT. In the OT, God was holy and the people were sinful.  A major difficulty! How can God meet sinful people without destroying  them? (The question is pointedly exemplified in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Ex.+33%3A20" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Ex. 33:20&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;.) Only through Christ. So &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; God’s  relations to people after the Fall depend on Christ. We know that the  principle of Christ’s mediation is true theologically, even when the  text does not explicitly mention the difficulty created by sin. The  necessity for Christ’s mediation in God’s relations in the OT gives  us a good start in understanding the OT Christologically. And then there  are specific persons and institutions that function in a mediatorial  role, such as prophets, kings, the tabernacle, the temple, the altar,  and the sacrifices.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;In addition to this  principle of mediation, I think there are several other helps to guide  our understanding of the OT. (Our ultimate help is of course the Holy  Spirit.)&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;First, what we find in any one passage of the Bible should  be consistent with what the Bible teaches elsewhere. The most important  check on our ideas is Scripture itself. Whenever the NT quotes from  the OT to show a connection to Christ, we have an important starting  point for our own reading of the OT. Something that we think may be  hinted at in one passage should be checked out by what Scripture teaches  clearly in other places. The Bible alone has infallible authority. Both  our own ideas and the ideas of others have to be sifted by the Bible  as our standard.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;"what we find in any one passage&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;of the Bible should  be consistent&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;with what the Bible teaches elsewhere."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;Second, the Bible  shows the progressive character of revelation. What was promised in  the OT is spoken of more fully and openly in the NT (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Eph.+3%3A4%E2%80%936" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Eph. 3:4–6&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Heb.+1%3A1%E2%80%933" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Heb. 1:1–3&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). So we should not be finding in the OT any  fundamentally new teaching that is not found in the NT.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;Third, we need to  pay attention to the immediate context of a passage, as well as the  context of the whole Bible. Do not just look at a single word, or a  single verse, but ask how what is said at one point fits into the context  of God’s relation to Israel, and into his whole plan. As a negative  example, consider the proposal that any time we find a tree or wood  in the OT, it points to the cross. Is that right? We do believe that  Christ died on a cross, and the truth about the cross must be connected  with the OT. But we can also feel a certain arbitrariness in just drawing  a line directly from the cross to wood. Why? Because we should be asking  what &lt;i&gt;role&lt;/i&gt; wood plays in its context.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;The beams of the tabernacle  were made of acacia wood (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Ex.+26%3A15%E2%80%9330" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Ex. 26:15–30&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). That is not wood in the role of execution  (the cross), but wood in the role of holding things up and giving them  firm structure. I believe that the tabernacle is related symbolically  to the OT picture in which God the Creator builds the whole world as  his large-scale house (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Ps.+104%3A2" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Ps. 104:2&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Amos+9%3A6" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Amos 9:6&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). It points then to God’s wisdom as builder,  and to his own firmness and faithfulness, which is behind the stability  of our world order. At the same time, the tabernacle offers us that  same wisdom and faithfulness and stability when we approach God for  forgiveness and fellowship, in the context of our need for redemption.  The stable structure of the tabernacle points to Christ as the wisdom  of God (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Col.+2%3A3" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Col. 2:3&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;), who is faithful and who gives us stable  forgiveness. “He is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near  to God through him, since he &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; lives to make intercession  for them” (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Heb.+7%3A25" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Heb. 7:25&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). And of course the tabernacle points forward  to Christ’s body, which is the final tabernacle (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=john+2%3A19" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;John 2:19&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;), which God “built up” again in the resurrection. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;Fourth, we should  be open for God to teach us in ways that surprise us and convict us.  If you are just finding the same thing in the Bible every time that  you read about wood, you are not really learning anything new, and you  are not open to the transforming things you will find when you really  listen carefully, paying attention to the context and asking God to  teach you.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;Fifth, we should pay  attention to the body of Christ. Suppose that you see some new idea  as you are thinking about the acacia wood in the tabernacle. Can you  share your new idea with other members of the body, so that they can  profit? For them to profit, you have to be able to some extent to “connect  the dots.” With acacia wood and the cross, other people are not going  to be able to see the connection, because you can’t produce a step-by-step  path. It seems arbitrary (other than the fact that both are wood). If,  on the other hand, you go from the tabernacle to Christ’s body, or  from the tabernacle to Christ’s wisdom, you have a way of showing  others that your ideas come from the Bible itself. Other people’s  confirmation of your ideas is important, because none of us is infallible.  In this connection, humility is important. Do not get enamored with  your own cleverness!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;"It is not fashionable nowadays,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;but I confess that I do believe that&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;every passage, and even every word,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;of the OT reflects Christ"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;It is not fashionable  nowadays, but I confess that I do believe that every passage, and even  every word, of the OT reflects Christ. At a minimum, we expect it to  be so because Christ is God. God is three Persons, and all three Persons  are present whenever God speaks in the OT. So Christ is present. Moreover,  God’s speaking in the OT is &lt;i&gt;mediated&lt;/i&gt; speaking. It must be,  or else we as sinners would die as a result of hearing him. In addition, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=john+1%3A1" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;John 1:1&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt; identifies Christ as the eternal Word, by  whom all things were made. The Word is the source of order for the whole  of creation, including the order of language, even down to its details.  But I hope that these observations of mine are the opposite of arbitrariness.  I am intending to suggest paths that the Bible itself opens for us for  our meditation.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-5199209424724888189?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/5199209424724888189/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=5199209424724888189' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/5199209424724888189'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/5199209424724888189'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/esv-study-bible-interview-with-dr-vern_09.html' title='ESV Study Bible Interview with Dr Vern Poythress for BeginingWithMoses.org (Part 1b)'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-5316753820294244821</id><published>2008-09-08T03:00:00.007+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-12T22:30:37.270+01:00</updated><title type='text'>ESV Study Bible Interview with Dr Vern Poythress for BeginingWithMoses.org (Part 1)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5240262449516964530" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/SLkm7wlG6rI/AAAAAAAAA9I/d-Y5G4xCj0k/s320/esvsb.png" style="cursor: pointer; float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px;" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Dr. Poythress,  thank you for your excellent &lt;a href="http://www.esvstudybible.org/images/excerpt-salvation-ot-overview.pdf"&gt;‘Survey of the History of Salvation’&lt;/a&gt;  in the &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.esvstudybible.org/" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;ESV  Study Bible&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;, and  also for the chance to ask you some  questions.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;1. In your essay  you raise the issue of the Bible’s unifying thread. You  suggest that one unifying thread is the divine authorship of each book.  What would you say are the other main unifying threads, and do you think  there is any one main category or concept which stands out as more foundational  than the others?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;In one way the divine  authorship of each book is the most basic unifying thread, because it  is what produces all the others. In addition, the comprehensive unity  to the Bible derives from the unity of God’s mind and his plan. But  there are many subordinate unifying threads: salvation through Christ,  foreshadowed in the OT; promise and fulfillment; the consistency of  God’s character, including his love, mercy, justice, omniscience,  sovereignty, and truthfulness; the presence of sin and the struggle  against it; judgment on wickedness and reward for righteousness; the  theme of deliverance; covenant; mediators; God’s presence, especially  in theophany, tabernacle, and temple; sacrifice; communion with God;  the word of God; death and resurrection; wisdom from God; faith, love,  and hope; justification and sanctification.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;The editors of the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://esvstudybible.org/" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;ESV Study Bible&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt; asked me to write about the history of salvation,  not only because it is an important unity, but because it is sometimes  neglected or misunderstood. We now have before us the complete Bible,  but God caused the books within it to be written over a period of centuries,  during which he was speaking and working in preparation for the coming  of Christ. We need to take into account how God works out his plan of  salvation in successive stages. The theme of promise and fulfillment,  and especially of fulfillment in Christ, is very important for enriching  our understanding of what God is saying and doing in the OT. We could  also mention the themes of covenant, of mediators (prophets, kings,  and priests), and of type and antitype. These themes help us both to  understand the theological and Christocentric unity of the whole Bible  and to understand in what ways God unfolds his work gradually. OT readers  could grasp the fundamental meaning of animal sacrifice, and how it  looked forward to a final sacrifice for sins. But they did not understand  all the details of Christ’s work. We look back on his completed work,  and from this later vantage point, aided by explicit teaching in the  NT, we have the privilege of understanding more deeply than OT saints  did.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;2. Two leading  contenders for keys to the Bible’s unity are covenant, and the kingdom  of God. Do you think either of these is more dominant, and  how would you express the relationship between covenant and kingdom?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;The Bible is so rich  that we can begin to uncover riches no matter where we start. Covenant  and kingdom of God are both fruitful starting points. But people have  used these two expressions in more than one way, because they can discover  within the Bible riches at more than one level. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;For example, “covenant”  can be used for the specific agreements or verbal compacts that God  makes with particular people, like Noah, Abraham, and David. The same  term “covenant” can also be used in modern discussion in a generalizing  way, to talk about the unifying patterns that characterize all God’s  relations with human beings, not simply those that the Bible happens  to call a “covenant.” I think these two viewpoints can be treated  as perspectives on one another. The particularities of God’s care  for Abraham, and his promises to Abraham, are pertinent to us who through  Christ have become Abraham’s sons (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Gal.+3%3A7%2C+29" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Gal. 3:7, 29&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). The particularities become a window or  perspective through which God enables us to see the general pattern  of the new covenant (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=2+cor+3" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;2 Corinthians 3&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;) and what has been called “the covenant  of grace.” The “covenant of grace” is a label for the one way  of salvation through faith in Christ, as that one way is worked out  through the whole of history, and it designates the consistent pattern  of relationship between God and man that this one way of salvation includes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;“Kingdom of God”  can also be used in more than one way. It may describe God’s universal  rule over the whole world, from beginning to end: “The Lord has established  his throne in the heavens, and &lt;i&gt;his kingdom&lt;/i&gt; rules over all”  (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Ps.+103%3A19" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Ps. 103:19&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). Or, more narrowly, it may focus on Jesus’  announcement of the coming of the kingdom of God such as was promised  in the OT. The expression may then describe the climactic acts that  the OT predicts, when God acts in power to bring salvation, especially  through the death, resurrection, ascension, and on-going rule of Christ  at God’s right hand (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Eph.+1%3A21-22" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Eph. 1:21–22&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). These different meanings can become perspectives  on one another. Christ’s resurrection from the dead is one particular  instance of God’s sovereignty, a sovereignty that he displays everywhere  and through all time. But it is a climactic instance that throws light  on all the rest. God always exercises his sovereignty through the Son,  and on behalf of the Son (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Heb.+1%3A3" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Heb. 1:3&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=John+13%3A31%E2%80%9332" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;John 13:31–32&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). The whole of history is moving forward  to a time of glorification when Christ will be seen in his central role  (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Rev.+21%3A22%E2%80%9322%3A5" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Rev. 21:22–22:5&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;When we think of either  “covenant” or “kingdom of God” in its broadest sense, the concept  is broad enough to include nearly everything within its scope. The word  “covenant” typically focuses on God’s relation to human beings.  But if we desire we can expand our idea of “covenant” to include  God’s relation with the whole of his creation (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Jer.+33%3A20" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Jer. 33:20&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;), as long as we remember that mankind plays  a central role with the created order. Covenant is the means through  which God works out his kingly purposes and establishes the climactic  phase of his rule. So covenant is part of kingdom. Conversely, God exerts  his rule on behalf of his people, for the glory of Christ who is head  of his people. So kingdom exists for the sake of Christ, who is the  heart of the covenant (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Isa.+42%3A6%3B+49%3A8" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Isa. 42:6; 49:8&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). Either one of these can be viewed as “dominant,”  if we enrich its meaning sufficiently.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;3. How would you  describe the relationship between the  unconditionality / conditionality of the covenants in the Bible, and  what difference should this understanding make to our Bible reading  as we come across the various covenants in the text?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;One of the challenges  with respect to understanding covenants is that there is more than one  particular covenant in the Bible. We must be careful to study the particularities  of each covenant, as well as to see lessons with respect to the general  pattern (an overall covenant of grace). For example, God makes a covenant  with Noah after the flood, in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Gen.+9%3A1%E2%80%9317" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Gen. 9:1–17&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;. It includes Noah’s descendants (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Gen.+9%3A9" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;9:9&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). God makes a promise not to bring another  flood to destroy the earth, and gives the rainbow as a sign. The promise  is valid for all Noah’s descendants. In the ordinary sense, this is  an “unconditional” covenant. There is no extra condition, no “if”  clause. God does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; say, “I promise this &lt;i&gt;only if&lt;/i&gt; your  descendants obey me.” Similarly, we can find no obvious added conditions  when God promises to Abraham that he will bring the Israelites out of  Egypt (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Gen.+15%3A13%E2%80%9316" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Gen. 15:13–16&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). On the other hand, in the covenant of circumcision  in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Gen.+17" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Genesis 17&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;, there is a kind of “condition”: someone  who is uncircumcised “shall be cut off from his people” (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Gen.+17%3A14" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;17:14&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). So circumcision is a kind of “condition”  for Abraham’s descendants. In Deuteronomy, as part of the covenantal  relation between God and Israel, God requires that Israel remain faithful  to him, and threatens to put them into exile if they persistently disobey  (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=deut+28" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Deuteronomy  28&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). Their obedience is  a “condition” for remaining in the land.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;Many people are most  interested in what to think about God’s promises of final salvation  through Christ. These promises are most fully articulated in the NT,  and are associated with the new covenant. The promises always come in  relation to Christ, who is both God and man (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Heb.+1%3A3%3B+2%3A11%2C+14" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Heb. 1:3; 2:11, 14&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). As man, Christ was required to trust in  God the Father and to obey the Father’s will. These requirements for  Christ were, in a sense, “conditions.” Apart from his trust and  his obedience, no one would have been saved. At the same time, because  Christ is God, and because God promised in the OT that he would infallibly  accomplish salvation (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Isa.+42%3A3%E2%80%934" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Isa. 42:3–4&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;), Christ’s obedience was guaranteed. That  does not make his obedience easy or trivial. Remember how he prayed  in the Garden of Gethsemane. Hebrews comments on the deep reality of  his obedient suffering: “In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up  prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was  able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.  Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered”  (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Heb.+5%3A7%E2%80%938" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Heb. 5:7–8&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). Salvation involved a “condition,” that  is, Christ’s suffering and obedience. These had to take place if we  were to be saved. At the same time, God through his prophetic word unconditionally  guaranteed that Christ would meet the conditions!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;Since Christ is fully  man, God as God had a relationship to Christ the man, and this relationship  between God and the man was, in the general sense, “covenantal.”  God on his part made commitments to Christ in his OT promises. Christ,  in his earthly life, committed himself to following the Father’s way.  This covenant between God and Christ was both “conditional”—involving  the necessity of Christ’s obedience—and “unconditional”—guaranteed  by God. So the words “conditional” and “unconditional” must  be used with care. We have to ask ourselves not only which covenantal  relation we are discussing, but what aspect of that relation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;When we turn to God’s  promises of final salvation to us, they are based on Christ. These promises  are secure, because Christ has accomplished full salvation, not merely  the possibility of salvation: “Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks  my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day”  (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=John+6%3A54" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;John 6:54&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). “And this is the will of him who sent  me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise  it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone  who looks on the Son and believes him should have eternal life, and  I will raise him up on the last day” (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=John+6%3A39%E2%80%9340" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;John 6:39–40&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). “My Father, who has given them to me,  is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s  hand” (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=John+10%3A29" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;John 10:29&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). Thus, we can say that when we believe in  Christ, we are “unconditionally” saved. But then is belief in Christ  a kind of condition? Clearly it is. And belief means really trusting  in Christ, not merely mouthing words in which we verbally say that we  are trusting. Belief is itself a product of God’s prior purpose for  us: “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.  And I will raise him up on the last day” (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=John+6%3A44" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;John 6:44&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;Some people have postulated  that God’s initiative in choosing us and “drawing” us goes back  ultimately to his foreseeing our future faith. But this order reverses  the order of the Bible. This reversal says, in effect, “as many as  believed were appointed by God to eternal life.” But the Bible says  the opposite: “as many as were appointed to eternal life believed”  (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Acts+13%3A48" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Acts 13:48&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). God’s appointment, that is, his choosing  us to be saved, is unconditional. It does not depend on our belief or  on anything in us. “What do you have that you did not receive?”  (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+Cor.+4%3A7" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;1 Cor. 4:7&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). But when God draws us to Christ, he provides  everything that we need, both faith and the power for new living in  fellowship with Christ. Faith and new, holy living are both indispensable  parts of the Christian life. They are “conditions” in this sense.  But God undertakes through Christ to work in us; Christ’s own power  is the guarantee that we will continue: “. . . work out your own salvation  with fear and trembling, for it is God who &lt;i&gt;works in you&lt;/i&gt;, both  to will and to work for his good pleasure” (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Phil.+2%3A12%E2%80%9313" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Phil. 2:12–13&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;We should also say  that joining the church brings a person into a kind of covenantal relationship  with God, since the person makes promises to God at the time of his  baptism. But being baptized does not guarantee that a person is eternally  saved. The Bible frankly described the possibility and the reality of  apostasy—some people fall away from a faith that they earlier professed:  “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been  of us, they would have continued with us” (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+John+2%3A19" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-size: 100%;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;1 John 2:19&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;). The “going out” describes apostasy,  falling away from the Christian community, the church. Apostasy is like  a negative condition. If you are to be saved, you must not apostasize.  But this teaching is not inconsistent with the security of salvation  for those who trust in Christ. First John says, “They were not of  us.” Apostasy reveals openly what was true even beforehand: that the  apostate heart was never set on genuinely trusting in Christ in the  first place.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 100%;"&gt;A short summary might  say that the instances of unconditional promises in the OT anticipate  the security that God gives us when he guarantees eternal salvation  in Christ. The instances of conditions in the OT anticipate both the  necessity of Christ’s own obedience, and the reality that when God  works salvation in us, he brings about obedience in us. This working  in us is part of the total process of salvation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/esv-study-bible-interview-with-dr-vern_09.html"&gt;Interview continued here with questions 4&amp;amp;5. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-5316753820294244821?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/5316753820294244821/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=5316753820294244821' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/5316753820294244821'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/5316753820294244821'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/esv-study-bible-interview-with-dr-vern.html' title='ESV Study Bible Interview with Dr Vern Poythress for BeginingWithMoses.org (Part 1)'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/SLkm7wlG6rI/AAAAAAAAA9I/d-Y5G4xCj0k/s72-c/esvsb.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-6429974195164214627</id><published>2008-09-09T07:55:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2008-09-09T07:57:38.426+01:00</updated><title type='text'>The Types and Shadows</title><content type='html'>The new song of the week: Red Mountain Music's version of &lt;a href="http://www.redmountainchurch.org/rmm/alb/g2clips/track04.mp3%20"&gt;Hark, the Voice of Love and Mercy&lt;/a&gt;, with a slight and very helpful edit to&lt;i&gt; the lyrics about the law&lt;/i&gt; by Dan Hames. &lt;a href="http://www.redmountainchurch.org/rmm/alb/rmmsheetmusic/itisfinishedpart2_sheet.pdf" style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;PDF: Sheet Music of Hark the Voice of Love and Mercy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;Hark! the voice of love and mercy sounds aloud from Calvary;&lt;br /&gt;see, it rends the rocks asunder, shakes the earth, and veils the sky:&lt;br /&gt;'It is finished! 'It is finished!' hear the dying Savior cry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;'It is finished! O what pleasure do the wondrous words afford!&lt;br /&gt;heavenly blessings without measure flow to us from Christ the Lord:&lt;br /&gt;'It is finished! 'It is finished!' saints the dying words record.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finished all the types and shadows of the law that went before,&lt;br /&gt;Finished all that God had promised; death and hell no more shall awe;&lt;br /&gt;'It is finished! 'It is finished!' Saints, from hence your comfort draw.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tune your harps anew, ye seraphs, Join to sing the pleasing theme,&lt;br /&gt;his great finished work proclaim; Saints on earth and all in heaven&lt;br /&gt;Join to praise Immanuel's name: Hallelujah! Hallelujah!&lt;br /&gt;Glory to the bleeding Lamb! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Words: Jonathan Evans and Benjamin Francis , edited by &lt;a href="http://danhames.blogspot.com/"&gt;Dan Hames&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-6429974195164214627?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/6429974195164214627/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=6429974195164214627' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/6429974195164214627'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/6429974195164214627'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/09/types-and-shadows.html' title='The Types and Shadows'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-2260793503390972662</id><published>2008-08-30T11:47:00.004+01:00</published><updated>2008-08-30T11:57:23.151+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Coming Soon: Vern Poythress Interview - September 8th &amp; 15th</title><content type='html'>&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/SLklcWjkFjI/AAAAAAAAA9A/mMhIk-aveAA/s320/poythress.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5240260810443593266" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We'll be publishing an exclusive interview with &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Vern Poythress&lt;/span&gt; of Westminster Seminary on Monday 8th and Monday 15th of September about the forthcoming ESV Study Bible.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-2260793503390972662?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/2260793503390972662/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=2260793503390972662' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/2260793503390972662'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/2260793503390972662'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/08/coming-soon-vern-poythress-interview.html' title='Coming Soon: Vern Poythress Interview - September 8th &amp; 15th'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-hGjvHoqlE/SLklcWjkFjI/AAAAAAAAA9A/mMhIk-aveAA/s72-c/poythress.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-4051976065254425891</id><published>2008-07-23T12:49:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2008-07-23T12:51:01.106+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Still Deeper - Darkness around the Cross</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong&gt;A day conference for all wanting to go deeper in theology, ministry and culture&lt;br /&gt;St. Andrew's Church, Bishopsgate, London&lt;br /&gt;27th September 10am – 4pm &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Still Deeper&lt;/strong&gt; aims to help people go deeper in their grasp of theology&lt;br /&gt;and culture. This 2nd Still Deeper conference focuses on the darkness&lt;br /&gt;round the cross: God's wrath.We struggle to face the horror of God's&lt;br /&gt;anger, but as we do so the cross appears more glorious.&lt;br /&gt;Exposition, doctrine and cultural analysis include:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;• Melvin Tinker Isaiah 53: The Suffering Servant.&lt;br /&gt;• Andrew Atherstone Divine retribution: a forgotten doctrine?&lt;br /&gt;• Peter Sanlon Why a violent culture fears a violent atonement.&lt;br /&gt;• Sam Allberry Lamentations: Poetry of Wrath.&lt;br /&gt;• Lee McMunn Believing and preaching hell. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cost: £10. Bring your own lunch, coffee provided.&lt;br /&gt;Register online at &lt;a href="http://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/stilldeeper"&gt;www.thegoodbook.co.uk/stilldeeper&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;or call 0845-225-0880 to book.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A fee of £1 will be charged for online registrations, or £2 for telephone booking.&lt;br /&gt;Visit &lt;a href="http://www.stilldeeper.com/"&gt;http://www.stilldeeper.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-4051976065254425891?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/4051976065254425891/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=4051976065254425891' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/4051976065254425891'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/4051976065254425891'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/07/still-deeper-darkness-around-cross.html' title='Still Deeper - Darkness around the Cross'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-5098718304760176687</id><published>2008-07-20T17:58:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2008-07-20T17:59:26.285+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Summer Update @ BeginningWithMoses.org</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://beginningwithmoses.org"&gt;Visit the site. See what is new&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-5098718304760176687?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/5098718304760176687/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=5098718304760176687' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/5098718304760176687'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/5098718304760176687'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/07/summer-update-beginningwithmosesorg.html' title='Summer Update @ BeginningWithMoses.org'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8462287.post-1495194244320088529</id><published>2008-04-05T19:27:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2008-04-05T19:29:46.159+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Still Deeper</title><content type='html'>&lt;img src="http://www.beginningwithmoses.org/images/author/petersanlon.gif" align="left"&gt;A contributor to Beginning with Moses recently started a new online journal - &lt;a href="http://www.stilldeeper.com/"&gt;Still Deeper&lt;/a&gt;. It aims to encourage people to go deeper in their grasp of Christian theology and its implications for modern life.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8462287-1495194244320088529?l=beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/feeds/1495194244320088529/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8462287&amp;postID=1495194244320088529' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/1495194244320088529'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8462287/posts/default/1495194244320088529'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://beginningwithmoses.blogspot.com/2008/04/still-deeper.html' title='Still Deeper'/><author><name>dave bish</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='04424491480768292229'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry></feed>